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Wow, very impressive start! What a great project for you! Looks great so far!!!
I believe you mentioned that you have a "real" deadline for this proposal that is before the time frame for our proposals. For this class, I think it will be best if the proposals are all submitted around the same time so everyone can get in the spirit to discuss and interact with them all at once. Also, feel free to publish and unpublish your drafts based on whether or not you want others to see it in the class. Getting some feedback early is a good thing though, and I'm going to mention this to the rest of the class.
I will be finishing it around the 19th of this month as long as the rest of my estimates come in. After speaking with my supervisor we have set the preliminary deadline for the 19th of this month, but if I do not have everything from the companies we are looking at the latest I have to have it done is Mar 1st. I also do not mind others giving me feedback along the way so I will be publishing all of my changes. I appreciate any help that the others in the class can give me.
I will be putting in a few more items in the next day or two. I have the first of my three estimates as well as the information from the fire department costs.
I too am impressed. Good referenced information that produces a clear comparison of the two pool sanitation processes. Good luck with this actual proposal. I like that you chose something that will improve the quality of activities that are meant to be healthy for people to participate in.
Wow, you did a really great job on this! Very impressive! I'm afraid I don't know enough about pools to give you much feedback.
You quoted how much it cost to run the pool last year, but how much would it cost per year (minus installation and new equipment) to run on the new system? (You may have included and it but I missed it)
Great work! Good luck with presentation!
This does seem like a very detailed presentation. The only question I have was the same as above. I may have also missed it, but I did not see a final break down in the cost per year of the new system vs. the old one?
Excellent job! I'm impressed! I agree with Angela's question with regards to including the cost of running the new system vs. the old one. Also, you may want to check into seeing what it would cost to dispose of the the old system. Does the quote by Brody Chemical and Watco Pools include dismantling and disposal? Finally, just as a point of reference, was Brody Chemical's quote comparable to Watco Pools?
Thanks for the questions. Here are the answers to them as I am seeing them. The costs I am comparing are the chemical costs. The electricity to power the pumps will be the same as it has always been.
The estimates do include dismantling the old system and installing the new.
Estimate of cost for running for the new equipment for a season (these are within the estimate sections):
Brody Chemical: $5,734.80+$544.50= $6,279.30
Watco Inc.: $11,913.60+$3,168.00= $15081.60
Cost of current system last year : $2,217.30+$3,138.54= $5,355.84
We knew going into this that the cost of chemicals was going to be higher, but it is also a safer means of disinfectant for our staff.
As for the question of whether or not Brody and Watco were similar in price, all I can really say for the equipment is that Brody was lower. Due to my restrictions from the company, I am unable to say any more than this.
As for my 'real' deadline my supervisor is currently reviewing my work, and we will be bringing it to the next group up in the next week or so after they have finished approving the next years budget.
Please let me know if I have missed any questions.
I just thought of another aspect that someone may bring up, and that is what I thought of the companies that put in the bids. The person I dealt with from Brody is also the individual who teaches the Certified Pool Operators Certification Courses. He is not only a very likable individual, he is also a very knowledgable individual. The individual from Watco seems a little bit more like the individual that 'knows everything' and doesn't think others have any positive points of view. We have worked with both companies before and have had more success with Brody for timeliness and competency.
This is a great project! You have clearly put in alot of work! I think it is a great idea to update the systems, and it seems to be more economical and safer for the pool users to do so. Hopefully your supervisor approves the proposal!
This was actually mostly my supervisor's idea. We just have to get those above him to go for the idea.
What about going to a salt water system instead of a Calcium Hypochlorite System? My son is a lifeguard in California, and he mentioned that several of their pools are starting to convert over to the salt water systems as they are much safer, easier on the environment, and people.
Rosette- We only talked a little bit about the salt water system, and my supervisor liked the idea of the cal-hypo system better. There are a couple of private pools in Bozeman using the salt water system. Both pools have had some problems with chemicals not staying at correct levels. Also, one of the two pools is actually having an adverse affect of eating away the stainless steel in and around the pool. Our facilities are quite old at this time and we did not want to have that problem added to our current maintenance and repairs.
It would definitely be smart for the Bogert Pool to convert its chlorine gas system to a calcium hypochlorite system. The pros outweigh the cons. The calcium hypochlorite system is a relatively safe alternative and would be in the best interest of the swimmers. Good presentation, very thorough. It's too bad you can not disclose the price.
How will the pool pay for this new renovation and higher maintance costs? Will the pool take out a loan or raise usage prices?
I also was going to ask about salt water conversion. I know that most pools in Europe are salt water but I haven't run into one in the states that is as of yet. Having a person of high likability and knowledge level that could possibly help IF any future problems arise Vs. having a not so easy to talk to person that thinks they know everything can sometimes be a make it or break it in terms of who to go with as well. In the long run the nice guy may provide a more valuable service and it sounds like you were leaning this way as well.
This project will fall under the current budget for replacement and repairs. We will not have to raise prices. Since we are a city pool, we have to be very carefull about what we budget for, but in the long run the city commision board usually votes to approve all of our suggestions.
As for the salt water, from what we have seen in the two pools using it in our area, it appears that we would not be happy with the conversion. I have now heard form the other pool that they are having a problem with it being very corrosive to their pool surface as well.
I guess we aquatics personnel just walk a fine line in what works best for our specific facility and what could destroy it.
That's interesting about the corrosion issue with the salt water system. But I think that you are wise to consider the existing state of your facility when trying to match it with the most compatible system. You want to eliminate as many unintended issues from occurring.